Stuff behind public debates on “this and that”

Observe the varied public debates on this and that, and associated crusades, and then take note of what goes on behind the scenes of the public displays of this and that. That behind the scenes manipulation gets us to the real story of life, Wendell Krossa

Again, I place the points below within the larger historical framework of elites constantly pushing the elite/commoner divide on human societies and commoners pushing back for freedom.

Now some argument…

Extremist leftist “Woke Progressivism” and “climate crisis” alarmism are related fronts of the same general push by elites, consciously intentional or not, to shape our liberal democratic societies into another collectivism. The elites actually running our governments (the “deep staters”), are pushing a fundamentally collectivist approach that undermines private property rights through big government, big taxation, and big regulation (see interview of Jon Moynihan below). Private property being the number one evil to liberate humanity from, according to Marx.

(“Intentional”? It could be devotion to socialism or some unformed embrace of “greater or common good” as ultimate goal, and not understanding that Classic Liberal protection of individual rights and freedoms has actually achieved more “greater or common good” over the past two centuries while collectivist/socialist approaches have consistently ruined greater or common good.)

Contemporary collectivist-oriented elites are being exposed for reshaping our liberal democratic societies through expanded government bureaucracies and state programs that are gradually replacing the private sector through a kind of “soft socialism” approach, that may not continue to remain “soft” much longer.

We get repeated intimations from elites that as they become aware that the pushback from populist revolts, agitating for restoration of basic equal rights and freedoms, may possibly be weakening their collectivist crusade, the elites are, in response, “doubling down” and may even be toying with resorting to the late-stage desperation phase of “exterminate or be exterminated”. See, for example, Matt Taibbi and Walter Kirn on the coming-out-of-the-closet validation of vigilante violence in mainstream media as Progressives become frustrated by the slow pace of democratic processes to bring the change that they want (i.e. notably, Taibbi and Kirn pointing to Joy Reid making this very argument recently on MSNBC).

(Note: On the shift to the extermination phase, Richard Landes in “Heaven On Earth” covers in detail the varied stages that totalitarian revolutions go through- i.e. Marxism, Nazism, environmental alarmism. Add Woke Progressivism to this list.)

The collectivist elite’s push to expand government in our Western liberal democracies then requires increased taxation- i.e. coercively taking property from the commoner citizens. That confiscation of private property is driven by the elite delusion that they know better than commoners how to distribute the wealth that is created by commoners. Again, they confiscate commoner’s wealth for redistribution with virtue-signaling claims of acting for “the greater or common good” (as in primarily “elite good”).

And of course, to coercively implement state confiscation programs you then need increased regulation, along with systems of threatening laws to crush any dissent to the state elite’s approach.

And in the elite domination and control of state agencies for elite agendas, we see again the manifestation of the primitive animal inheritance where, historically, the real battle for freedom takes place. That is Solzhenitsyn’s good point that the real battle of good against evil runs down the center of every human heart, the greater inner battle that we all have to fight and win.

“The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either—but right through every human heart—and through all human hearts.”

And properly and thoroughly winning this battle for the long-term future requires fighting the inherited animal impulses inside each one of us, and most critically overturning the associated validating religious ideas, the themes that affirm our worst impulses, none more fundamental than the traditional religious ideas of deity.

This site persists in trying to summarize the big background issues at stake in human existence… Hopefully not going too WWF in terminology to make the points (i.e. “worst, greatest, most critical, etc.”)

Note: Woke Progressivism with its DEI categories is fundamentally a version of collectivism, employing the tribal dualism of “victim/victimizer” as the newish twist that now identifies how to assign people to the two collectivist categories by skin color, adding to the former Marxist tribal division of “capital owners versus workers/peasants”. But its still the same old collectivism at core.

Note on regular sources:

This site draws on varied sources to inform the current event issues presented here, whether the journalism of people like Matt Taibbi, Michael Shellenberger, Dave Rubin, and many other varied podcast news sources. And to inform the meta-narrative issues that influence human behavior and society, this site draws on religious research from forums like the Jesus Seminar, Q Wisdom Sayings research, and general histories of mythologies, etc.

And a note on the dangerous push to legitimize/validate the use of violence to effect change in our liberal democracies:

This is what Taibbi and Kirn point out in their latest “America This Week” (summarized with a link below). The pattern in legitimizing violence requires that you first deform the hero’s quest, using the framework of Zoroaster’s cosmic dualism between good and evil, the greater metaphysical dualism that has long validated varied human tribal dualisms.

Using the above framework, you exaggerate the threat from your opponents to apocalyptic-scale (i.e. “threats to democracy, to life… Hitler, Nazis, fascists, etc.”). You excessively demonize your opponents as irredeemably evil in contrast to yourself as a righteous savior of what you claim is threatened.

Examples: A Democratic spokesperson, years ago, argued straight-facedly that Democratic violence against MAGA people was a valid use of righteous force. After all, he said, they are Nazis so our violence against them is good force just like that of the Allies during WW2. Whereas, their use of force is evil.

Justin Trudeau pulled something similar in his use of state force against the trucker’s protest. He first smeared them as “right-wing extremists, supremacists, Nazis” (exaggerated demonization of an enemy) to validate his righteous force to shut down their legitimate protest.

Hopefully, these arguments to validate violence in our liberal democracies, and episodes of people actually doing such, are not part of something more scalable that is coming down the pipeline.

What did Rodney King urge us to do long ago?- “Can’t we all just get along?” That takes some understanding of drivers in the background, how to counter such, and finding alternatives to calm us down and urge us to get along.

Tools for fools (I include myself), Wendell Krossa

Paul, the anti-“wise sage”, rejected and then buried the most effective tool/weapon that we were ever given to counter and overcome the evil triad- humanity’s real enemy/monster, and where the real battle of the human story must be fought and won. It was the tool/weapon given by the history’s actual “wise sage”, Historical Jesus.

With his Christ myth, Paul short-circuited the greatest potential liberation movement ever presented, the consciousness-liberating insights and themes in the life and message of Historical Jesus.

Using his Christ myth, Paul overturned the great breakthrough insights of Jesus and then reverted back to re-enforce the dominant themes of past mythology and religion. With his Christ myth he proceeded to darken human consciousness once again, to drag human minds back into the worst enslavement of all- i.e. the mental/emotional enslavement to threat theology, the complex of primitive themes that validate the evil triad of dark human impulses. His theology still dominates world religions and even shapes secular/ideological versions like environmental alarmism.

Hey, I can make these points/arguments because good historians have done the hard homework in tracing out the ideas that drive apocalyptic millennial movements, and illustrating the destructive influence of these ideas in modern crusades such as Marxist revolutions, Nazism, and more recently environmental alarmism crusades. All profoundly religious movements.

Paul reaffirmed the “behavior based on belief relationship” by embracing the worst elements of primitivism- i.e. the “evil triad” themes of tribalism, domination, punitive destruction- to frame the belief side of this relationship.

And Harold Ellens was right to vent on the conservative Christian endeavor to celebrate the “violent act of child sacrifice” in Paul’s Christ myth as a “remarkable act of grace”. Ellens bluntly reframes that for what it actually is, and what the outcomes are in human behavior (this from Zenon Lotufo’s “Cruel God, Kind God”):

“There is in Western culture a psychological archetype, a metaphor that has to do with the image of a violent and wrathful God… this image represents God sufficiently disturbed by the sinfulness of humanity that God had only two options: destroy us or substitute a sacrifice to pay for our sins. He did the latter. He killed Christ.

“Ellens continues by stating that the crucifixion, a hugely violent act of infanticide or child sacrifice, has been disguised by Christian conservative theologians as a ‘remarkable act of grace’. Such a metaphor of an angry God, who cannot forgive unless appeased by a bloody sacrifice, has been ‘right at the center of the Master Story of the Western world for the last 2,000 years. And the unavoidable consequence for the human mind is a strong tendency to use violence’.

“’With that kind of metaphor at our center, and associated with the essential behavior of God, how could we possibly hold, in the deep structure of our unconscious motivations, any other notion of ultimate solutions to ultimate questions or crises than violence- human solutions that are equivalent to God’s kind of violence’…

“Hence, in our culture we have a powerful element that impels us to violence, a Cruel God Image… that also contributes to guilt, shame, and the impoverishment of personality…”.

As Harold Ellens says, “If your God uses force, then so may you, to get your way against your ‘enemies’”.

Again, a refresher: The main contradictions between Historical Jesus and Paul’s Christ myth.

These main contradictions highlight the oxymoronically opposite themes in the messages of Historical Jesus and Paul’s Christ mythology. The point I draw from this? The themes of Paul have shaped Western consciousness, narratives, and powerfully influenced Western societies for the past two millennia, notably in endless eruptions of destructive apocalyptic millennial movements. The Jesus themes, to the contrary, have influenced us to a lesser extent, mainly by moderating the harsher features of Paul’s message:

(1) Unconditional love (i.e. no sacrifice demanded in Jesus original message- i.e. the “Q Wisdom Sayings” gospel). Versus the highly conditional atonement religion of Paul (i.e. the supreme condition of the sacrifice of a cosmic godman- the Christ). Appeasing sacrifice is the response to the theology of an angry God threatening punishment through the natural world.

(2) Nonretaliation in Jesus (no more “eye for eye” justice but instead “love your enemy” because God does not retaliate but loves and includes enemies- as in sun and rain for all alike). Versus supreme divine retaliation in apocalypse and hell myths. Note Paul’s theology of a supremely retaliatory deity in his quote of an Old Testament statement- “’Vengeance is mine, I will repay’, says the Lord” (Romans 12), and in his other letters, “Lord Jesus returning in fire to destroy all who don’t believe Paul’s Christ myth” (Thessalonians).

(3) Restorative justice (again- no eye for eye) versus punitive, destroying justice.

(4) Nonviolent resolution of problems (again, no retaliation against enemies) versus the resolving of problems with the violent destruction of world-ending apocalypse and eternal hell, as well as noted earlier, the violent pacification of deity by blood sacrifice for atonement.

(5) Nontribal inclusion of all humanity (“sun and rain given freely to both bad and good people”) versus the highly tribal favoritism toward true believers and the discriminatory exclusion of unbelievers as per Paul’s Christ. Note the ultimate tribal divide illustrated in Revelation in the eternal division of humans- i.e. assigned either to heaven or to hell, as per the cosmic dualism of Zoroaster.

(6) Nondomination in relationships (“If you want to be great then serve others”) versus ultimate eternal domination by Lord Christ with his “rod of iron” totalitarianism (“every knee shall bow… He will rule them with an iron scepter”).

(7) Non-dualism (God as the Oneness of Ultimate Reality that is love) versus eternal dualism (i.e. again, the cosmic dualism of “God and Satan”, “heaven and hell”).

And so on…

You cannot mix and merge the above opposites in the one and same person- i.e. “Jesus Christ”- as that supremely oxymoronic combination creates profound cognitive dissonance. Consequently, you are left with a mental state akin to insanity or madness. And the egregious thing is that the good elements in the combination (i.e. the Jesus insights) are distorted and buried by the primitive and darkening elements in the Christology of Paul.

Note on latest Trudeau kerfuffle: Wendell Krossa

Justin Trudeau has been rightly called the iconic Woke Progressive of the North, as well as the Gov of the 51st state. Oh, what? You’re just now realizing that has been our status ever since?

Trudeau takes Wokeism to even further extremes than many elites in the US. And certainly, he has taken religious extremism to the outer limits of insanity on the climate file. There is no other eco-zealot on the planet, no other cultist doing more damage to a society and willing to destroy a nation to satisfy his personal impulse to narcissistic virtue-signaling. A man totally committed to today’s suicide cult of Net Zero decarbonization.

And what irks most, is that he constantly pushes in public the self-delusional narrative that he is “working on behalf of Canadians”. Unbelievable blindness to the outcomes of his crusade. He exemplifies what Kristian Niemietz spoke to, that “emotional satisfaction, and not rational evidence, determines our choice of beliefs”, even to the point of blindly denying the obvious harmful outcomes of our beliefs, as Woke collectivists persistently do.

From Wattsupwiththat.com- the first climate criminal arrested

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/12/17/bidens-power-mad-epa-boasts-of-its-first-climate-change-arrest/

EPA’s first arrest of a climate criminal? We beat you to the punch, because we have pushed the same thing here in Canada way long ago. We had apocalyptic prophet David Suzuki long ago calling for CEOs of energy companies to be imprisoned. Imagine, the very people who save our lives by providing us with the energy to heat our homes during deep-frozen Canadian winters and the fuels to power our vehicles in order for us to get to work so we can support our families. And Suzuki wants to criminalize them and lock them up. That is the insanity that arises from embracing the consciousness-deforming narrative of apocalyptic. Delusional calls for the coercive, even violent, purging of imagined threats inevitably follow the embrace of apocalyptic crusades.

Apocalyptic has always made complete fools of otherwise bright minds. Look at what it did to dear Chicken Little. And to Stephen Hawking over the last two years of his life. He went from predicting the end of days in 1000 years (2015), to 100 years (2016), and if he had lived a few more years his end-times predictions would have declined to 10 years, and maybe even 1 year (the logarithmic decline thing).

Note: An interesting response to Suzuki:

https://theprovince.com/opinion/eco-zealots-go-too-far-in-demonizing-deniers

This below is the outcome from letting a “tyranny of the minority” (the domination impulse again) be unleashed on all others thereby denying Classic Liberal freedoms and rights for all. Such rejection of common-sense and unleashed insanity is now allowed to take over our government agencies and related institutions with little to no protest (part of the larger Woke Progressive agenda infecting our societies).

Fragile educators are producing a generation of fragile children.

This illustrates what psychologists warn is the curse of this generation- the destructive focus on personal feelings as the dominant criterion for right and wrong, for what is permissible and what should be criminalized, censored, banned to “protect the children”.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/christopher-dummitt-safety-obsessed-schools-are-a-barrier-to-education

This from Jordan Peterson on a Gutfeld appearance (October 2024?):

“Psychology discovered long ago there was no difference from thinking about yourself and suffering from negative emotions… self-consciousness and suffering anxious emotions are the same thing. Freedom from self-absorption is found in focusing on others and helping them with their problems.”

Others note the importance of suffering the slings and arrows of difficult life experiences as critical to human development and maturity.

“Safety’-obsessed schools are a barrier to education: From picking up snow to reading ‘The Book of Negroes,’ school boards are constantly finding new things to ban — to the students’ detriment,” Christopher Dummitt, Dec. 17, 2024

Dummitt notes situations in Canadian schools where teachers are excessively protective of student’s feelings and try to avoid exposing students to anything possibly harmful, unsettling, or offensive. Hence even classic novels are banned.

He says that recently his own children were kept inside because it “too windy” outside. He adds that “The school rule is that no one is allowed to pick up snow. Presumably, it might lead to them having fun and throwing snowballs.”

He questions if this concern about children’s safety is doing some actual harm itself, and also that some school boards are using the language of harm as a cover for some otherwise pretty authoritarian and often quite illiberal political behaviour.” He repeats this suspicion later that all this proclaimed concern for children’s safety may be “merely a pretext for imposing one’s political views on the student body.”

“The language of harm and safety can be used as a smokescreen to remove any old books or ideas from the classroom that might complicate the hyper-politicized picture that schools are trying to impose.”

His recommendation is for teachers to read “Bad Therapy” by Abigail Shrier, “a book which delves into the possible side effects created by our overly sensitive therapeutic approach to childhood. She points to evidence that shows how continuously focusing on children’s emotional states can increase anxiety and exacerbate the very problems the system is trying to help. Constant talk of psychological trauma can, in other words, make children feel worse…. schools are worsening the emotional fragility they’re trying to treat.”

National Post

In the big background picture that has been emerging through the research of Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi, Walter Kirn, Mike Benz, and many others, we see more of the real nature of the long-term project to promote and extend the “US Empire”. This project has been driven in the past by admirable elements such as the defense and spread of democracy/freedom. But it has also been infected by the domination impulse. That perverts otherwise good intentions and corrupts noble causes when empire crusaders start validating the propagandizing of foreign populations to destabilize their countries and governments, all to then eventually overthrow the governments of other nations, and even then destroying foreign populations through wars.

The domination impulse brings out the worst in us and this impulse has now been exposed for having been turned inward against US citizens who disagree with war-mongering elites.

Walter Kirn, the novelist, sees a plot unfolding that is all too familiar. Taibbi pushes back that its just a sociopath who knows how to manipulate media. But is it just that, or is it something more ominously “deep stateish”?

“America This Week: Assassination Tales and Rubber Elephants– The suspect in the United Health CEO murder becomes a ‘folk hero’ through preposterous means. Also, ‘The Elephant’ by Sławomir Mrożek”, Matt Taibbi, Walter Kirn, Dec. 14, 2024

https://www.racket.news/p/transcript-america-this-week-dec

Set against the big background picture, this comment by Taibbi and Kirn again illustrates the larger elitist battle with populism where elites view populism as their greatest threat now, even demonizing fellow citizens (the commoner populists) as the new “authoritarians” that threaten democracy. “Democracy”, as Mike Benz noted, is now defined by elites as the “consensus of state institutions”. And as Mike Benz also noted recently on Joe Rogan, the threat from those defined as “authoritarians” has been shifted from the previous Cold War orientation toward foreign Communist regimes that the US has tried to overthrow around the world, to now framing US populists (as also in Europe) with that term as the new threat to be fought, the new “enemy within”.

Walter Kirn is a novelist, literary critic, Hollywood scriptwriter, and his novels have been made into movies that starred actors like George Clooney, Keanu Reeves, etc. He is one of the best commentators on trends in our societies, along with Matt Taibbi. They focus on the US but the same things are happening across Western liberal democracies. Here Kirn puts forth an interesting take on the murder of the health company CEO, Brian Thompson, by Luigi Mangione.

Kirn argues that the murder and related manifesto of Luigi appear to him to have been scripted in some manner. While sharing Taibbi’s skepticism of Kirn’s thesis, I also find Kirn’s points a bit convincing. After all, we have behind us the 1970s Church Commission hearings on CIA intervention in and manipulation of news media, the exposure of CIA MK-Ultra programs:

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p0by2ybb/mk-ultra-the-cia-s-secret-pursuit-of-mind-control-

Also, the history of CIA assassinations to silence opponents. Add in the CIA use of false flag incidents to start wars- i.e. Gulf of Tonkin, and the Gulf War lying to get us into Iraq. Then the intervention in 2014 to overthrow the democratically elected government of Ukraine.

And more recently, the Twitter Files exposure of intelligence agencies working with the Democratic party to censor and silence opposition comments. Also, the manipulation of Google search results (e.g. Robert Epstein on Joe Rogan) to favor one side (i.e. the war-mongering side in politics).

With all this exposure of how we are being manipulated by people behind the scenes controlling public narratives, we recognize such people also have a history of using violence to promote their agendas.

Taibbi pushes back on Kirn’s theory that the Luigi assassination of the CEO appears to have been pre-planned, by arguing that it may be nothing more than just the shooter knowing how to manipulate media. And media are responding in typical patterns to affirm their preferred narrative.

Is Kirn going too “conspiracy theoryish”? What about people like Mike Benz who are also exposing of how we are lied to, manipulated by propaganda through mainstream media, censored, and more?

Not affirming anything here, just saying… Enjoy Kirn’s speculation. His novelist, scriptwriter background now motivates him to see what he does in the playing out of this news story.

Kirn is pointing to something that he and Taibbi have discussed before, what Mike Benz recently detailed on Joe Rogan, the “massive infrastructure” behind the scenes (state intelligence agencies, etc.) that censor information, control so much of media (news and social media) to push state narratives to propagandize the population. Unbelievable stuff, till someone like Benz probes it in detail and exposes much of the hidden infrastructure behind it. As Jimmy Dore said, “We are the most propagandized people, and we don’t know it”.

Here just below is some of their discussion. I have copied and posted quite a bit here because, like so much of their commentary, they are among the best probing what is going on behind the scenes of our societies. How we are lied to, propagandized, and manipulated. And for what reasons? This is critical to be aware of, because as Rogan and others have warned, the democracies that we live in may be very much illusional in that we think we are free but are unaware of how much we are manipulated by behind-the-scenes actors who censor, shape information and narratives, and outright lie. And have a history of resorting to violence, even assassinations, to get around the “slow and messy” democratic process that does not always produce the outcomes that we want.

Note this particularly interesting point below- i.e. Kirn’s speculation that Democrats, now the party of the wealthy, are trying to present themselves as also being victims just like the commoners/workers they no longer represent. Hmmm.

Here are a sampling of quotes to highlight their points– the killing of the healthcare CEO by Luigi Mangione. This below is from my posts to a discussion group, hence the repetition of some points I made just above…

Kirn starts commenting on the short manifesto of the killer, this in the context of many in media and the public now trying to make a hero of the murderer.

Kirn says the murder and manifesto follows what appears to him as a pre-planned script to bring up certain common themes and feed them to media, as though the murder of the health CEO is being manipulated by others. Taibbi pushes back arguing that media are just responding in predictable ways to a random act of a sociopath.

Kirn responds that its all too perfectly scripted as through someone is prompting media to respond in ways that re-emphasize the familiar orthodox narrative of the Democrats to counter the populism of Trump and his team. Where Taibbi says its just people taking advantage of a situation to push their narrative and crusade.

I would go with Taibbi but tend to lean to Kirn because of what we have discovered about how the deep state actors that manipulate us with false flag episodes so repeatedly, from Gulf of Tonkin on down. We also have the Frank Church warnings of CIA in media, and also using assassinations and more.

Kirn argues with Taibbi,

“But in this case, everything is clicking on all cylinders. Matt, COVID did that, Russia-gate did that, Ukraine did that. Every one of these current things and crazes has done it in just this way. This guy really presented a case and a crime that was so prepared at the right time for the transition between Biden and Trump to galvanize the defeated party, to raise all the issues that they want to raise anyway, to bring attention back to the media that had been basically discredited and was plunging. And if Luigi Mangione didn’t have to exist, the committee would have to invent him and invent him they are.”

Kirn adds that this murder of the CEO appears guided and engineered, with too much perfection in the script that Luigi gave the media.

Kirn says that RFK, a healthcare reformer, is coming in and the Luigi killing pushes all that aside.

He then notes the recent comments of Joy Reid (MSNBC) where she argues that conservatives have validated vigilante assassinations, claiming that the self-defence shooting of Kyle Rittenhouse was an example of conservative vigilante assassination. Her background argument is that the slow democratic process of pushing for change does not work so we need to do just as conservatives do and engage violence, like the conservatives do, to push our causes.

“Joy Reed: Today, the 26-year-old suspect in the killing of the UnitedHealthcare CEO was back in a Pennsylvania courtroom for an extradition hearing to determine when he’ll be brought back to New York to face charges including secondary murder. The case has brought out a clear division in the reaction among those on the right. You see, when popular conservative pundits like Ben Shapiro and anti-woman zealot Matt Walsh tried to attack evil liberals for celebrating the murder of a CEO, they were met with backlash from some of their own supporters who defended the violence.

“Because the truth is, those on the right don’t necessarily abhor violence if it’s against someone they don’t like Black Lives Matter activists or pro-Palestinian protesters, undocumented immigrants or the homeless. That’s why they get behind people like Kyle Rittenhouse who shot and killed two BLM protesters or George Zimmerman who shot and killed seventeen-year-old Trayvon Martin and turn them into cause celebs. Just look at how, in nearly the same breath, Fox’s Laura Ingraham speaks about the 26-year-old United Healthcare suspect and Daniel Penny, who was just acquitted yesterday in the subway chokehold death of 30-year-old homeless man, Jordan Neely.”

Taibbi responds to Reid’s comments that she cannot lump the Rittenhouse and Luigi shootings together as the same thing, to validate vigilantism. Rittenhouse was clearly proven to have been an episode of self-defense.

Taibbi adds that media are already “pre-bunking” problems in the Luigi story, notably that his being wealthy makes him unsympathetic to many people. And this is a larger problem of the Democratic party that has become the party of the wealthy. So Democrats need to make the argument that even the wealthy can be oppressed and are victims. Luigi illustrates this.

Taibbi had discovered the same with the Occupy movement, that it was not lower-class workers in those protests but mainly well-off educated kids. Hence, the Progressive movement is now trying to portray this new narrative that even wealthy people are victims, oppressed.

Then they move on to the left’s trying to now justify violence to get what they want as they view civil liberties and non-violent processes as too slow and they may not win that way as the Trump election showed. Again, this is placed within the larger framework of leftists attacking the capitalist evil.

Matt Taibbi: … but this was a time when there were a lot of people discussing the question of can we wait for social change, can we go through channels, can we accomplish it through nonviolence? A little bit of this resurfaces during the Battle of Seattle, when there was a debate about whether or not we can break windows and that sort of thing. But for the most part, it hasn’t happened…. civil liberties aren’t important, it’s too slow. Remember, this is the thing that… Even John Kerry said that at the WEF forum, that the pace of change, it’s just not fast enough, we need to win the right to govern, we need to get action immediately and by any means necessary is the idea…. But they’re trying with all their might to animate that idea again…”

Hence, Joy Reid’s argument that conservatives validate violence/assassinations so now we also may do the same to achieve our goals, because they do it.

So Kirn continues: “All the trending topics on Twitter the other day were around this, they’re obviously going to try it. It’s got leverage on every issue they want leverage on, they’ve already framed guy as an indisputable folk hero who can also be a victim even though he’s rich.”

Kirn concludes: “One specifically, a guy named James Jesus Angleton, who Norman Naylor wrote a giant novel about, and other people have written endlessly about. And these people did see society as a story. And they didn’t get into the CIA because they were smart chemists who could make poisons. They got in there because they understood how to lead societies, how to create narratives, how to use the fictions that are the cover for intelligence work effectively. And in other countries, especially to use stories about leaders against other leaders to help the people come to the conclusions we wanted them to. To make the stories of Iran and Guatemala and other places, with a little tweaking from the gunman come to the conclusions they wanted to. So that’s the basis on which I’m saying this.”

And much more at the link above.

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